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Thursday, 19 September 2013

Roman Catholicism and the worship of the dead XVII: Two Churches and a Mosque claim to have head of John the Baptist

Two Churches and a Mosque claim to have head of John the Baptist

The mother of all corruption and shame.The Catholic Church of Amiens in France have kept John the Baptists skull on a plate.

A Church in France holds a skull on a plate, and claims it is John the Baptist.
Jesus explains there have never been a greater man than John the Baptist walking the Earth. Still a Catholic Church in France, feels the need to keep a skull on a plate, and claims it is the very head of the baptist.
Surely this picture is insane enough. But what should make the Catholic World grasping for fresh air, is an Italian claim, that the skull of the baptist is also to be found in Church of S.Sivestro in Rome. To be correct, only the backside of the skull has been kept in the city of the Vatican. And this piece of the head can be adored and venerated at a glass mounter.
We need to take a look at a lot of pictures. Lets start with the photos from the Church in France.

The Amiens Cathedral in France.

The half skull kept on a pillow, and presented on a platter.

The head taken out for adoration and veneration.
This is the official Catholic story:
The head of John the Baptist on display in Amiens Cathedral. The relic was brought back from Constantinople (modern Istanbul) in 1206 after the sacking of the city by the Fourth Crusade.

But most of the time kept safely behind bars.

I do not think this Frenceman know the eternal consequences of copying Herodias.
The best site with photos of this skull, is made by an Orthodox “Christian”. Take a look.

Since both Rome and a city in France is involved here, we have a problem with a dual claim to the same head. It is worth noticing that both these two Catholic Churches admit that they do support Catholic priests who have fought over a skull, and broken it into at least two pieces.
The skull, or the head of John the Baptist, is nevertheless
not so “impressive” inside the Church in the city of Rome. Lets take a look:

The half skull, the backside, of claimed to be John the Baptist. St. Sylvester Church in Rome.

St. Sylvester Church in Rome
Who, if not Papist priests, have cut the skull of John the Baptist into two pieces?
And the skull might have been cut in three, with one piece left in Turkey. Please keep on reading.
This is surely one of the most bizarre example of Church adoration and veneration of any item. Two half skulls, separated by two national borders, by two Churches that both has the Pope as their head.
But this story does not end here. To make the legacy of John the Baptist more complicated, the Grand Mosque of Damascus Syria also claim to have the head of John the Baptist. This head is kept in a small chapel inside the Islamic dome.

John the Baptist in the Mosque in Damascus, at least with the back turned towards us. Because I guess he has been kept reading verses from the Koran on the wall.
This amazing picture from a Mosque, can be viewed at this site.
The official Syrian version:
Sheltered inside the mosque is the small chapel and shrine of John the Baptist (Prophet Yahia to the Muslims) where tradition holds that the head of John is buried. One legend says that when the church was demolished, his head was found underneath, complete with skin and hair. This head is believed by some to possess magical powers and continues to be the focus of the Mandaeans’ annual pilgrimage, when they press their foreheads against the metal grill of the shrine and reportedly experience prophetic visions.

Interesting photo from Damascus. I did not know there are chapel’s inside Mosques.

Catholics should flock to the Mosque in Damascus, and try to get a pieces of the “holy” head. There might even be some prophetic vision left.
And there is also a forth claim to the head, of the Jew who baptized the savior of the World.  This head is kept in a Museum in the German city of Munich. In the Residenze, a castle belonging to the past Catholic Kings of Bavaria.

The most funny head you have ever seen. Or have the royals packed the skull, to avoid children getting nightmares after visiting this castle in Munich?

Just like king Herod, Catholic Kings of Bavaria lived in this castle. They both claimed to hold the head of John the Baptist.
If is of course difficult to understand, what is so special about people who keep the head of John the Baptist on a platter.
It was only the completely wicked and evil wife of King Herod who took pleasure in such a gruesome sight. And probably also King Herod and his staff and followers.
Why do our modern day Church goers want to share her joy, and probably also Herodias final destination?
It is bad enough to see four different institutions trying to convince the World, they they have the genuine skull.  The story eventually fall into the deepest pit of perversion, when a handful of Catholic and Orthodox Churches claim they have collected parts of his headless body.
These claim presented by religious people, should leave the World’s best pathologists speechless.
The Ottoman Empire did not only manage to slaughter and kill 1,5 million Armenians in the bloodiest genocide prior to the Holocaust. In Topkapi Palace Museum in Istanbul, modern day Turkey claim they have both his right arm, and a part of his skill. In fact, the top of his skull.

Can anyone really buy the story of whose remains are inside this golden container?

There are claimed to be remins of the baptists, held by a Museum in Istanbul.
I am sure many Muslims will be puzzled by the fact, that Islam do collect such items for adoration, just like collection of any idols. The same Museum also claim to be the correct holder of some of Muhammad’s beard. The Islamic relics does not look very different from the Catholics. But that is a different story.
The problem with the Turkish claim of holding the right arm of John the Baptists, is that an Greek Orthodox Church claims to have the very same hand in its collection of relics.

The right hand of John the Baptist can simply not be in two different places at the same time.This is the Greek version of what looks like an idol hand of gold.

The Hellenists claims the remains of John are in this cloister in Greek.
And a Orthodox Church in Bulgaria recently claims they found one tooth of the Baptist.

Do this Bulgarian box hold a 2.000 year old tooth, and is it one of the teeth of John the Baptist.
The story of the corrupt Catholic Word of relics could have been continued for years. But there is surely a limit of how much perversion my readers can take.
Let me make a summery:
We know that John the Baptist lost his head, but not His salvation.
All those who have made a mockery out of his legacy, deserve to be beheaded today it self. But that kind of punishment would not be Biblical.
There is something eternal and much worse waiting for them, the day they find them self in the fire of Hell, both body and soul.
First published: October 2nd 2010.

27 Responses to Two Churches and a Mosque claim to have head of John the Baptist

  1. Melanie says:
    What on earth is it that drives this evil passion not only for bones but to actually fight and try to gain noteriety over famous bones??
    WHY? This is what I want to know. All I can see is an obsession and determination to mock God and all that is holy to mankind’s redemtion.This is surely a passion driven from the deepest pits of hell!
    • ivarfjeld says:
      Dear Melanie.
      I love all Catholics. But I warn people about Catholicism. There is nothing good hidden inside the Vatican. I pray that all Catholics shall come to know the truth about this very corrupt and wicked religious system. I hope and pray I will find my own Catholic family members inside the Kingdom of Heaven. I can not save them. But I will keep on telling them the truth.
      • nurunyambura says:
        I pray the same for mine. I was born and brought up in a Catholic family but by God’s grace I left after getting born again and discovering the falsehood in it. My parents and siblings are still deeply rooted in it, and all I can do is pray that one day the truth will also dawn on them.
  2. Melanie says:
    Amen to your words Brother.
  3. Soumitra Dey says:
    Boy….they worship skulls and bones in modern times & that too in the western world eh? Strange. But why do these people have such a morbid fascination? Can’t imagine!!!
  4. Gloria says:
    Your Post: Jesus explains there have never been a greater man than John the Baptist walking the Earth. Still a Catholic Church in France, feels the need to keep a skull on a plate, and claims it is the very head of the baptist.
    My Comment: Everytime I think I can’t be more shocked at the perversion of people, then something new comes along and I’m even more shocked/devestated.
    I wonder to those that claim these things with bones, and John the Baptist, if they don’t repent, I wonder what they will tell God on the day of judgment.
    This world has forgotten Jesus Christ, or refuses to acknowledge him, and yet they easily accepts lies like this.
    • ivarfjeld says:
      Dear Gloria.
      When I became A Christian, many of my old atheist friends became angry. One of them shouted: Have you become a Christian?
      My answer was, ‘no”. Since this friend had read a huge front page cover of my conversion, He kept on shouting. : – Now, you have became insane. You just went public with your new faith in Jesus.
      I said: Precisely. If I have to defend all wrongs that has been done in the name of “Christianity”, or in the name of the “Church”, even in the name of “Jesus”, I am surely not that kind of “Christian”. But I have found a new friend, I can no longer live without. His name is Jesus of Nazareth. He is the greatest Jew that ever lived, and He is the only begotten Son of God.
      Among believers, I do call my self a Christian. Because they are supposed to believe in the Word of God, and understand the true meaning of the word “Christianity”. Among non Believers who see all the wickedness branded as “Christianity”, like keeping skulls inside Churches, I have to admit that there are hundreds of millions of false Christians around, who have sold out their souls to Satan.
      Their wickedness keeps other hundreds of millions away from the true faith. Its a scam, its a huge tragedy. What Jesus said becomes a reality. The gates of Hell is wide open, and most of the people on Earth are not at all interested in walking the narrow path. They will surely not be able to make it through the narrow gate.
      • Gloria says:
        It is a sad state indeed. Though I have known Christ all my life, and studied his word when I was younger, I only recently accepted him fully (about 2 years ago.)And I’ve been teaching my two children that Christ is the only way.
        I am the middle child of five. I have two brothers and 2 sisters, and all four of them used to praise God and go to church. But they have fallen away, and I worry for them. They are spirtually blind, and have not seen the things I have seen. But everyday, I do not give up, and pray to Christ that they return to him.
        It is hard. I’m disgusted with the moral decline of this world, and my own flesh and blood, think it is better to drink alcohol and do drugs.
        But Christ did say when these things happen in the world; his coming is near. So now I just say, Christ I leave my family in your hands. But I continue to speak to them and pray, including to my mother who is now sick with dementia.
        God Bless you Ivar.
  5. elijah john says:
    My question is, what if John the Baptist has incarnated on earth today? He is here now. What then? If he is here now, it’s because the world has sunk so low, it needs many good souls to counteract the evil, to balance the earth or we would sink to a state where there would be no return. So I suggest, leave those who choose to worship in whatever way they want. That in itself is positive. By the way, there is NO HELL.
    • ivarfjeld says:
      Dear Eliah John.
      Shalom, and welcome to this site.
      If there is no Hell, than Jesus is a liar.
      Matthew 23:15
      “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
      (end of scripture)
      People who claim there is no Hell, will eventually end up exactly there.
    • Dave1543 says:
      Hello elijah john,
      I read where you siad,
      “……So I suggest, leave those who choose to worship in whatever way they want. That in itself is positive….”
      Then I read where Jesus said,
      Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
      Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
      So, does it say worship the Father in whatever way they want or in spirit and truth?
  6. Asa Mittman says:
    I am interested in using the photo at the top of this article in an article I have written on beheading motifs in the Middle Ages. Do you own the copyright to it? If so, would you be willing to provide the permissions for it? I would happily provide a photo credit in the article.
    Many thanks,
    Asa Mittman
  7. OMG This is too Much in stud of praying for god they are fighting for Bone. this is not at all good. Be-lived its they are of the great person but what he was teaching to mankind that have an Faith on the god but now it has changed to have faith on bones.
    Sorry For this if any one get Hurts……………………………….
  8. Kenneth says:
    That arm is actually Commander Data’s arm from Star Trek’s Next Generation.
  9. Andrea says:
    Ivar, You have thru The Holy Spirit revealed why so many will turn from His Royal Majesty Christ The King! …I’ve often wondered it could not just be the sins that are so prevalent to be desired, some would have to be convinced of worshiping a false Jesus..and He said some will kill you thinking they are doing God a service…so Religion must must rise to a crescendo for many to follow (fall away from the Truth) Then as I prayed and prayed for this Truth, the scripture reminded me ‘that suffering comes with that knowledge’…not the exact words..’can’t bear the truth’…anyway..Ivar, this rips my heart out…but I do thank you for your faithfulness to this Anointing to show us, it’s not just the facts but the true love for the Lord and those He died for could this and things like this be told…we all have our Anointing and I thank Him for yours also!!… it too is a strength that no one can take away…though it be a terribly sad knowledge these people are slowly pulling so many away from …Ohh Ohh the song…Fall on your knees and hear the Angels voices Oh Night Divine when Christ was born… still to day the World lays in sin and dying…but Oh Glory My Love our Love will come…He will come…I do pray He will find ‘Faith’…I finally see why He said that…..!
    • Andrea says:
      Wow …Amen…it is disgusting…it should be shown to all in front of all so they can see that others see they refuse to leave the lying filth they hold onto instead of Jesus Christ…and are so proud to say “I am a Catholic but I pray only to Jesus…Liars!! they condone what these beasts do by their remaining faithful to be called a Catholic…instead of claiming they are cleansed by the Blood of Jesus Christ…the ONLY Lord of Glory!…
  10. i dont buy it. i just dont. it is highly improbable. also the skull would have decayed by now.
  11. I like what you had written here and all the comments :) … Why that head and bones soo important for some people ? OMG. Well I am Muslim. For me the more important for Muslim are we believe that Prophet Isa (or Jesus in Christian) was not death and will come back to this world from Heaven. Prophet Muhammad said, Prophet Isa will come back the first time in Jami’ Umawi Mosque or The Great of Damascus Mosque now, where one head of John The Baptist Head allocated,
  12. Would you prefer, if anyone had the authentic head of John the Baptist, that that threw it away?
    • ivarfjeld says:
      Dear Joseph Richardson
      I do not mind Madam Tussaud making a copy. Because this secular institution do not claim to have the real stuff.
  13. shanemark71 says:
    Reblogged this on Countdown To Eternity.
  14. Reblogged this on Shield of God. and commented:
    3 For Herod had arrested Yochanan, put him in chains and thrown him in prison because of Herodias, the wife of his brother Philip; 4 since Yochanan had told Herod, “It violates the Torah for you to have her as your wife.” 5 Herod had wanted to put Yochanan to death; but he was afraid of the people, in whose eyes Yochanan was a prophet. 6 However, at Herod’s birthday celebration, Herodias’ daughter danced before the company and pleased Herod 7 so much that he promised with an oath to give her whatever she asked. 8 Prompted by her mother, she said, “Give me here on a platter the head of Yochanan the Immerser.” 9 The king became deeply upset; but out of regard for the oaths he had sworn before his dinner guests, he ordered that her wish be granted, 10 and sent and had Yochanan beheaded in prison. 11 The head was brought on a platter to the girl, and she gave it to her mother. 12 Yochanan’s talmidim came, took the body and buried it; then they went and told Yeshua. 13 On hearing about this, Yeshua left in a boat to be by himself in the wilderness. But the people learned of it and followed him from the towns by land.( Matthew 14 : 3-13) CJB
  15. Angela says:
    The Grand Mosque of Damascus used to be a byzantine ‘church’ building, that was converted into a mosque.
    (Interestingly, on one of the minarets, there are stars of David…)
    Nevertheless, it is common even in Islam to have veneration at the tombs of various ‘saints’.
    Many muslims also venerate ‘Maryam’ – catolic Mary.